Gel Coat Cracks on Deck

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Added 03/09/2004

Based on my experience, all cracks were gelcoat cracks only. BUT, under the gelcoat there is wood!!!

So, I have decided to fix them all. Here is what I did:

a) Open the cracks with a small drill bit (Dremel).

b) Put enough epoxy in the crack to wet all surfaces and seal them.

c) Fill the remainder of the crack with "Watertight".

d) Sand

d) Primer (2 coats)

e) Sand

f) Paint (2 coats)

  I have pictures of this if interested.

  RE: Re: Gel Coat cracks on deck

a) Is the deck of a 22 cored?: Yes.

b) With plywood, balsa...?: I believe it is marine plywood.

  c) Why not fill completely with epoxy?:

            i) Epoxy does not like the sun.

            ii) Epoxy by itself is not strong. You need to add fibreglass to give it strength.

            iii) I had already done the bottom of my boat and had some watertight left.

 

The pictures will show you the cracks that have been opened with a "Dremel" toll, dampened with "Epiglass" and filled with "Watertight" (picture 1029 and 1042). Then, once it is covered with primer (Pre-Kote) and paint (Brightside with some matting agent #4317) (pictures 1043 and 1046).

 

Here is the link:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tanzer/files/Gelcoat%20cracks/

I've done some similar repairs over the years, and I think you're on the right track.  Compressing the new fiberglass will improve the bond to the underside of the deck, and reduce the resin to glass ratio. 

Also, try using "release fabric", which will allow the excess resin to flow out under pressure.  In this application I might use something absorbent (like paper toweling) on the outside of the release fabric to catch the excess resin that flows out when you compress the new laminate.

What you want to do is kind of like vacuum bagging, a common technique for advanced composite structures.  You could put some kind of airbag or saran-wrapped foam in between the wooden block and the new laminate, to give an even pressure to the new reinforcement, that squeezes out excess resin.

The resins are usually made thin, so they will "wet out" the cloth really well. If I were doing this I might thicken the resin with just a bit of colloidal silica. Not too much, or you'll reduce the ability of

the resin to penetrate the weave of the cloth.  However, a little colloidal silica will go a long way toward reducing the runniness of the resin. 

You can find some pretty good basic info on West System epoxies at the marine stores where they are sold, and at http://www.westsystem.com/

 

Paul Zankel

 

I've done this.  Forget the wooden block and mould release. Not needed.  Cut several (2 or 3) pieces of glass cloth or fiberglass tape to the required size. Place the cloth on waxed paper and wet if out with epoxy - working it in with a plastic spreader. Be careful not to unravel the threads along the edges too much as you saturate the cloth. Then simply press the saturated cloth into place.  You can do two or three layers at once.  Pretty easy job.

If you'd like a "How to ...." book on the subject, try The Fiberglass Boat Repair Manual by Vaitses  

Click here: Gougeon Brothers, Inc.

The West System stuff has LOTS of info on fiberglass repair.  I've had great performance with their products, having used most of the "additives", their resin and all the different hardeners, etc.  One of the most valuable tools I own is a small roller that gets the fibers in fiberglass mat to "lay down" once its soaked with resin.  Looks like a paint roller, but is about 5/8" diameter, 4" long, with about a 5" handle.  Buy the aluminum version, which cleans up (for re-use) better and faster. 

Why not drill small holes into the weakened portions of the deck from above and inject thinned epoxy then fill with appropriate filler of epoxy and microbaloons or something?

I hear it works well to seal and solidify the wood.

When you mentioned injecting resin, do you mean a core between fiberglass, or just fiberglass plies?

If it was a core that was rotting out, I think moisture would be a problem if just injecting the epoxy. I would bag in the damaged area using plastic or Mylar, get some kind of vacuum pump set up and let the vacuum suck the moisture out of that area before I injected the resin. I do a little composite work on aircraft, and have done very minor repairs (the allowable maintenance manual limit) using injected resin. You want to make sure it is dry of any moisture. Just my 2 cents.

When you mentioned injecting resin, do you mean a core between fiberglass, or just fiberglass plies

I am of the understanding that thinned epoxy injected into the softened flexible core acts the same as a wood drier and hardener (the job specific products are also an epoxy product).

The acetone or lacquer thinner chases water from my understanding.

If my deck was flexible in areas I would certainly drill the holes one inch apart (as recommended) and allow the area to dry as well as apply heat via heat gun to assure as dry as possible an area prior to even beginning my repair should the area of softness be caused by wood rot.

Often these problems are a result of delamination though and a 5% thinned epoxy is supposed to be a God send in these cases as opposed to removing and refilling coring the entire area.

www.epoxyworks.com has much information on repairs I am told.

I forgot to comment on this the other day.  One of the liveaboards on  my dock had work done (new deck core, bulkheads, etc.), and the  specialist that did it used isopropyl alcohol (IPA), because it will  readily mix with water, and act as a solvent with wood tars, etc. 

Again, IPA is highly fammable, etc.  Here is the OSHA link to give  you all of the health and safety info.  www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/isopropylalcohol/recognition.html

After the IPA dries out, you can start with the thinned epoxy.  In  this case, a vacuum bag technique would good to experiment with!

Last summer I had to repair a small section of non-skid on the cabin roof that had been damaged.  A buckle had smacked the area and dented right through to the unlerlying mat.  The area was only a couple of square inches but I wanted to duplicate the pattern so that the repair would appear invisible after painting.

What I did was to make a plasticine "fence" around a good area that matched the damaged area for curvature. Using this good section I poured melted candle wax into my fenced area until I'd made up a good block of a couple of inches thick.  After letting it cool, I removed the fence and popped off the wax block.  Probably best to wait until night or very early in the morning before the sun can warm the wax.  Now I had an exact mould of the non-skid pattern.  Next, I froze the wax block, cleaned up the damaged area, mixed up some epoxy, spread it over, and pressed the wax block into it.  Use a weight on the block while the epoxy cures.  If you match the male bumps on the wax to the female dents in the non-skid then everything lines up perfectly.  Well, in theory anyway.  The mistake I made was to put a bit too much epoxy on the wound.  I got a perfect reproduction but it was about 1/16" too high and I had to do some tricky carving and sanding.  So

if using this method you might want to experiment first.  I removed the block by melting it away with boiling water but you should be able to remove it by popping it off.